Wrong planet error

[perlmonger]

[ anybody who’s come to this post late might want to read my next entry as well ]

Looks like it’s the time for it: having recently participated in a discussion on racism, privilege and entitlement chez perigee, and one on sexism in the programming community flocked elsewhere, a friend pointed me at the website of an upcoming ColdFusion Dev Conference.

I was sufficiently angered by the implications (on all sorts of levels) of a “FREE CFDeveloper party with entertainment in the form of a private bar, music provided by a Live DJ and Tequila slammer girls” (who I might want to “chat up” up after they gave me “free tequila shots”) that I mailed the organisers:

Quoting the front page of www.cfdevcon.com:

| In the evening will a FREE CFDeveloper party with entertainment in
| the form of a private bar, music provided by a Live DJ and Tequila
| slammer girls.
|
| [...]
|
| We look forward to seeing you there.

Well, I’m one ColdFusion developer you won’t be seeing.

The perpetuation of patriarchal attitudes and concomitant implicit
marginalisation, if not actual exclusion, of developers who don’t
present themselves as male and heterosexual is something our industry
has a bad reputation for.

I had hoped, after recent discussion in the Perl and Linux communities,
that this was starting to be recognised as something important; clearly
there’s a Neanderthal component to the CF dev community that’s in need
of application of a cluebat.

Pete,

If it was a tequila slammer guy I’m sure you wouldn’t mind, but that would
be of no interest to other 99.9% of delegates.
There is no place at this conference for discrimination, so it would
certainly be best that you did not come if that is your attitude.

Russ Michaels wrote:

| If it was a tequila slammer guy I’m sure you wouldn’t mind, but that would
| be of no interest to other 99.9% of delegates.

:)

»whoosh!« there goes my point, thataway... Your conference will of course be self-selecting in its attendance.

I’m left wondering if you think that any man who objects to gross sexism is necessarily gay, or whether you actually thought that to make that implication was insulting.

| There is no place at this conference for discrimination, so it would
| certainly be best that you did not come if that is your attitude.

It’s extraordinary how beneficiaries of privilege, safe in their sense of entitlement, can reframe any contrary voice as discrimination. But you’re right, I can’t imagine many environments I’d less like to be in than your conference: I’ll get back to coding.

I do not think anything of sort, but that is what you implied.
Why you have chosen me as the target for your hetrosexual bashing I have no
idea, but I’m afraid I am the wrong person to be speaking to as I have no
problems with gay men/women at all, although you should consider how your
attitude toward straight people is no different than how people used to
react towards homosexuals before it became socially acceptible.
If you cannot understand the common sense of catering for the majority, then
I cannot help you with that, it is simply common buisness sense. If I had
organised a gay developer conference there would probably have been like 2
registrations, although if I thought there was a market for such a thing I
would certainly do it.

And there I’ve chosen to leave it, at least for now; I don’t think there’s any point in fighting further against such a spectacular misinterpretation of what I tried to say, whether willful or no.

ETA1: remove the flockedness - on consideration, there’s nowt there I don’t want public.
ETA2: here’s ramtops‘ post on the same subject (and yes, she did mail him first :)
ETA3: pdcawley adds his comments on his blog.

Comments

[easterbunny.livejournal.com]

That's depressing. I'm impressed with your emails back to the guy, however - maybe the ColdFusion team with think twice when lining up the activities for next year's conference.

[latexiron.livejournal.com]

If it's being held in Europe, can you insist on a tequila slammer guy on the grounds of sexual equality?

[kairotique.livejournal.com]

Wow... Well, cheers to you for those responses. Seriously.

[gmul.livejournal.com]

As a (last anyone checked) het male who might in other circumstances have ended up doing CF dev, I'd certainly not be wanting to go anywhere near the place if that's the attitude...

[codepope.livejournal.com]

"I was sufficiently angered by the implications (on all sorts of levels) of a “FREE CFDeveloper party with entertainment in the form of a private bar, music provided by a Live DJ and Tequila slammer girls” (who I might want to “chat up” up after they gave me “free tequila shots”)"

I find it interesting that you add the "(who I might want to “chat up” up after they gave me “free tequila shots”)"... as that isn't on the website, and which strikes me as a gross assumption by yourself that party entertainment (Slammer girl teams, which usually include guys) are professional entertainers, yet you make an assumption that they are provided to be chatted up once people are drunk. While you are railing against sexist assumptions, maybe you should check your own?

oh dear

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see anywhere that it says the girls will chucking tequila down your neck during the actual conference, so hows does tequila girls at the party affect the conference at all?

[budleysalterton.livejournal.com]

Now what I want to know is if there are only 100 people booked, who is the 0.1%, the 10% of a person that would be interested in the tequila slammer guy ?

I'm Going

[(Anonymous)]

Well to resolve this argument, i'm going and will even offer to be the voluntary tequila guy

fair enough?

But for future reference surely there are more significant things you could be active against?

Mark Smyth
markcfmx@gmail.com